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europe is a place of pilgrimage
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and we don't think of it that way but
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we should
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you have more tourists in europe than
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you have citizens
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and the question is well why is that
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and the answer is very straightforward
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it's beauty period the end
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and
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especially for someone from new york but
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or from north america but from any more
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modern place
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coming to europe is nourishing in an
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extraordinarily deep way to see these
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old
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communities and these beautiful
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buildings
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it's
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necessary it's not
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it's not optional that's why people
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spend so much money doing it and that's
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why they work to be able to do it they
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work
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at things they don't want to do to be
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able to come and
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spend a week in paris or a week in milan
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or
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a weekend
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you have enjoyed your time here it's
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beautiful that old town is so beautiful
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it's crazily beautiful and
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i i'm i'm
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it's concerning
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the more modern europe becomes the more
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it looks generic
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and
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as an economic decision that's it's so
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foolish you have this immense heritage
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of stunning beauty and it's it's almost
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incalculably financially worthwhile it's
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like capitalize on that that's what you
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have to offer the world and it's
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something it's something it's not power
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and dominion and oppression and
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it the oppressive imperial patriarchy
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that's not it at all it's
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at minimum it's beauty and beauty well
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that's dostoyevsky's line beauty will
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save the world absolutely and my final
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question is we have really made lots of
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work
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to make our country beautiful
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town beautiful but we are afraid of
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russia yeah they may come and reconquer
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again and i have a question which you
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may or may not answer
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because you don't definitely have the
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information available but as a clinical
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psychologist what do you think is mr
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putin crazy
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no
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definitely not
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no no you never want to underestimate
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the people that you're at war with
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that's a big mistake
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there
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and i see no evidence at all for
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clinical psychopathology on putin's side
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and he's
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russians are complicated and he's
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complicated he is by no means the worst
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leader that russia has had in the last
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hundred years not by any stretch of the
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imagination i'm not standing up for
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putin but i'm not going to casually
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demonize him
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you can't
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take your simplistic understanding of
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adolf hitler or joseph stalin which is
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incomplete and then say well that's
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putin it's like look
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we're in trouble here
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wars tend to spread and everyone thought
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when the first world war started it'd be
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a few months and then when it wasn't
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they thought well we'll win easily it's
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like no that isn't what's going to
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happen
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and the people thought the same thing in
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world war ii
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and they thought the same thing in
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afghanistan and so
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this is a localized ukraine-russia
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conflict well first of all no it's not
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it's a war by proxy of russia against
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the entire west obviously now all the
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world isn't on board with that but much
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of the world is but not all of it
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and so
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you know
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you might say when your sleeve gets
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caught in an industrial machine and only
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an inch of your sleeve is in you think
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well i've still got my whole arm it's
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like yeah for the next 10 minutes
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but don't be thinking that that's how
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it's going to be in half an hour and
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it'll be an absolute bloody miracle if
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this doesn't engulf us all
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and there's a high probability of that
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with all of that all that that entails
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what would it mean for the russians to
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lose
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like let's say that's what the west
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wants we want russia to lose okay what
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do you mean by that lose exactly do you
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want the russians to feel
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that they're going to lose
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they have atom bombs
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what is going to happen to a country
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that's already paranoid and
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misguided
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if they also think they're going to lose
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you think they're just going to lose and
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we're not going to lose along with them
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that's not going to happen
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and so
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we're playing with fire on and i think
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i'm i've written an article
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uh called the civil war in the west
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because i think what's happening in
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russia and ukraine is
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a civil war in the west it's just that's
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just where it started
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russia is the west
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and it's not just about post-soviet
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territorial expansion it's not just
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about oil and gas it's definitely about
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those things but it's about way more
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it's about
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the stunning blindness and stupidity of
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europe on the energy front
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who didn't know this was going to happen
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who's so blind
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that they believed that making europe
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dependent on russian oil and gas
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for environmental reasons wasn't going
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to produce this
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and well we didn't know well if you were
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a statesman and you didn't know that you
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are so incompetent that it defies
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comprehension because that's so
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self-evident and so now we're in that
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city
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about responsibility and long
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perspectives
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and the practical perspective too you
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know it's well you have these idiot
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environmental utopian ideas well what
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are you willing to sacrifice to that
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well how about the energy stability of
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europe okay great well now here we are
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so
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you know we're dreaming of a planet
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where there aren't people to be
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a cancerous growth well enough nuclear
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exchange and we might just get that
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so
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we're playing with fire let's keep our
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fingers crossed that we can still
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survive yeah well next 100 500 years
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one year
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even one year yeah even one year there's
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going to be mass starvation in the fall
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there's going to be mass migration into
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europe again obviously like the writing
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is on the wall the un is already
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projecting 150 million people in the
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fall will face what they call that food
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insecurity by which they mean
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skyrocketing prices and famine food
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insecurity famine
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so yeah it's really not good